Bassem Youssef is
one of the most famous men on the planet, with 7 million followers on
Twitter, but at dinner parties in the US, it's
only when you say, the "Egyptian Jon Stewart" that there is a look of recognition.
Frantz Fanon in The
Wretched of the Earth
argues that the dehumanization of people is a form of
colonialism. In the American media, the dehumanization comes in the form of demonizing
people, which is why the only
Middle Eastern men that you can probably name
are those America has wanted to topple or murder. The good guys remain nameless. Which creates
a problem when it comes to men like 42-year-old Bassem Youssef, a.k.a. the Jon
Stewart of Egypt. Youssef only became a bona fide good guy in the West, when he
was made relatable, and the only way the American media knew how to do that was
to Americanize him.
Enter Daily
Show
producer Sara Taksler. Her
documentary
Tickling Giants, which premiered last month at the Tribeca
Film Festival, seeks to show
how Youssef is so much more than an Egyptian Jon Stewart. The engaging film brings
viewers along for Youssef's unlikely journey from a heart surgeon,
tending to the wounded at Tahrir Square during the 2011 Egyptian revolution, to an
international celebrity, speaking truth to power, one joke at a time.
It was Youssef's
friend who initially suggested that the surgeon post satirical videos of the
Arab Spring on YouTube. After decades of a dictator controlling the media with
an iron fist, it was the first time that someone so brazenly questioned the
authority of President Mubarak. He said the things that the populace thought,
but dared not say, and he did so with a comedic twinkle in his blue eyes.
Within weeks,
offers of fronting a TV show came flooding in, and the doctor was faced with
the dilemma of whether to continue serving the public in hospitals, or to
embark on a career as a full-time comedian. He chose the latter. Soon his show—titled
Al-Bernameg, or The Show in English—was poking fun at the
Muslim Brotherhood
and
its leader
Mohamed Morsi, who had won the first free elections in
Egypt in 2012. He lampooned Morsi's attempts at speaking English and the bending
of the rule of law.
Youssef's
popularity
led him to being invited onto Stewart's
The Daily Show in June 2012, where he met Taksler for the first
time. "I was impressed that they were doing something like I do, but with
higher stakes," she told me. "I'm somebody who processes life, politics, and
the world through humor, and it was hard for me to imagine the people that I
knew and work with, being penalized for making jokes. I was just in awe of what
Bassem and his team were doing."
But Tickling Giants was a story that was
destined to take on a dark turn. Youssef became an internationally renowned
figure in April 2013, after an arrest warrant was issued following accusations
that he had insulted Morsi and the Islamic faith. The final straw came when
Youssef mocked Morsi's use of English when he garbled the message to not drink
and drive as "gas and alcohol don't mix." The charges were eventually dropped,
but the plug was pulled on
Al
Bernameg
twice, as first Egyptian broadcaster CBC and then the Saudi-owned
MBC Masr bowed down to threats made by the authorities.
Eventually Youssef
and his production company found themselves
fined over $1 million
for mocking the military. For Youssef, this was the final straw, and he decided
to flee for San Jose, California. Earlier this year, it was
reported that this fine
had been annulled. I
recently caught up with Youssef in New York City. We spoke about the film and how it
was inspiring his new speaking tour and life in exile.
VICE: Was agreeing to star in the
documentary your way of continuing to fight for democracy in Egypt?
Bassem Youssef: Let me ask you a question: Would you say
no if someone says that they want to make a documentary about you? How many
people get that offer? So Sara says, "I want to make a documentary about you,"
and I say, "OK!" But you also have to understand, at that time in 2012, no one
could see the future. We were in a good place. As a matter of fact, I said, "It
might be a bit boring, but yeah come along." Maybe the pinnacle will be Jon
Stewart coming to my show, or me going onto his show again, that's it. Nobody
imagined that my show would be so influential, that the stakes would be that
high, or that the risks would change.
You started by making a YouTube show. Did
you imagine it would be so successful? You're a doctor, what made you think
that you could do political commentary?
I didn't see
myself as a star or anything. I was a normal kid. I was a nerd, basically. My
friend Tariq, who I had known for about seven years at that time, came to me. He
thought whenever I would be in a setting that I would bring people together, and
they would listen to me.
Why was that?
I can say I was
a charismatic person. I was a man of the people. I was social. People would
talk to me, I would talk to people, but so is maybe half of the population of
Earth. I don't think there was anything special about me when I started.
Were you a natural in front of the
camera?
Well, when
actually I saw the first episodes of myself on YouTube, I could not even stand
watching myself for even thirty seconds. Like anything, if you watch anybody when
they started their show and see them a few years later, of course it changed.
There was a development, an improvement, and an investment.
When was the moment that you knew it
could be something bigger?
When I first got
my TV deal. That was two months after I started on YouTube. It went very fast,
and then the first season was just in a small studio. Then I thought, I want to
do this as a live show. I want to do this as Jon Stewart-style, live audience—everything. Everybody laughed at me at that time.
Is there a connection between being a
surgeon and being a comedian?
There is a
hypothetical connection, which I didn't think about until I read about it. Sarcasm
in Greek means to cut through layers, so it is basically the same.
What made you want to go to Tahrir
Square?
Everyone went to
Tahrir Square to see what the hell was happening. If you are not part of the
demonstration, you went a day later. We saw that on TV, and we wanted to see
what was happening. Then as a doctor, I went there when we saw the attack on
the square. I was with other colleagues in the hospital, and we decided to take
our supplies and just go to the square.
Was that a harrowing experience?
It was a new
experience. I mean, we were just caught in the moment, and we were treating
people. We were having gunshots and stuff flying over our heads. It was
bizarre.
When the show made you famous, in the
documentary you say fame gave you fear, can you explain that?
Yeah, because
this whole thing made me exposed. There was one episode where I said, "I wish
I had a different life." It came from the fact that I got myself into something,
and I didn't sign for that. I was making jokes, and suddenly everyone wants
to get me.
Are you someone who is stubborn?
Maybe persistent—persistent
would be a better word to use.
How did you experience life under the
regime of President Hosni Mubarak?
I was one of the
privileged. We were well-off. We were upper-middle class, what we had seen was
not poverty, as much as stagnation and unfairness. Even if it doesn't happen to
you directly, you can see it. That's why many of us, even if we were not
oppressed, or in jail, or poor, joined the revolution.
Do you think that it was a mistake to get
rid of Morsi when Egypt did? Even though he had been running roughshod over the
constitution, there was still a chance to see if he would respect democracy and
hold another election?
There was no
chance. I have to say, what happened was partly to be blamed on so many people.
If you start to have a very fundamental, extreme rhetoric and you don't listen, you basically put us into an equation that is us or them. The liberal powers
have no power, and there was the army.
Of course, in
hindsight, maybe it is a mistake to use the army, but the alternative [to allow
Morsi to rewrite the constitution and ban opposition] if they were to cross
that line, they would have used the army to do the exact same thing that they
are doing now. Because basically it's the lesser of two evils. I don't know
which one is the lesser of two evils, because both of them are evil.
How do you feel about the so-called Arab
Spring, now that Egypt is again being ruled by a military figure?
It's not a "so-called"—it
is an Arab Spring. It is a beginning,
and democracy takes time. It is the beginning of something else, and I know that
it looks chaotic right now, but it will take time, but it has to start
somewhere.
You have this life in America now, but it
comes from a position of sadness? How do you feel about your show now?
You know, it's
up and down. We tried to do something. Thank God we did the series. It was
taken away from us. But they want a castrated humor, and you have the chance to
start all over again. As I said in the movie, I chose to respect the program
and to be truthful to the message and leave.
It's not a 'so-called'
—it
is an Arab Spring, it
is a beginning, and democracy takes time.
You're now working on a new show for
Fusion TV on YouTube. This time it's about America politics viewed from a
Middle Eastern perspective. Is that because you feel that living in exile, you
can no longer comment on daily life in Egypt?
I do comment on
my social media, but the fact that to do a show on Egypt, about Egypt, from
outside the country, I said at the moment, "No, I can't do that. It would be
like being outside and throwing rocks."
When I comment
on social media, this is my personal opinion, but to have a production is a
totally different story. It would take a lot of commitment to do it from the outside
and be about the Middle East.
You also are engaged in speaking tours,
and have just done a show in London, New York, and Los Angeles. Where do you see
that going?
The idea is that
I want to develop my story into a theatrical story. It's like
Tickling Giants, but it's not like the
movie. Basically I'm showing how the media manipulates the people, how the
Islamic media, the military media, and the liberal media are all the same and
using exactly the same narrative. I do this comparison between them. So instead
of making it a rigid thought, it's more interactive. It's keynotes and
presentations and videos. At the moment, it's very basic, and I'm sure when the
book comes, it will have more ideas.
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Bassem Youssef is making a web series The Democracy Handbook for Fusion. He is also at work on a book, also titled
Tickling Giants, to be
published in 2017.